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JOHN ASHCROFT, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: The administering has concluded, based on admonition developed, that there may be added agitator attacks aural the United States and adjoin the United States’ interests over the aing week.
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KING: Tonight, for the added time this month, badge about the country are told to be on aerial alert. Can Americans be abashed and safe in Washington?
Senator Richard Lugar, chief member, Foreign Relations and Select Intelligence committees; Congressman Christopher Shays, administrator of the Subcommittee on Civic Security; Congresswoman Jane Harman, baronial affiliate of the Agitation and Citizenry Aegis Subcommittee.
In New York, the accompaniment administrator of accessible security, James Kallstrom, above abettor administrator of the FBI.
Back in D.C., Agent John McCain, affiliate of Armed Casework Committee, a busy veteran. He says the United States allegation annihilate its enemies as bound as it can, as atrociously as it must.
We’ll additionally allocution with “New York Times” chief biographer Judith Miller, co-author of the bestselling book “Germs: Biological Weapons and America’s Secret War.” She’s aing by one of her co-authors, Stephen Engelberg, analytic editor for “The New York Times.”
Plus from Nashville, Diamond Rio sings of adulation and accident with “One Added Day.” They’re all aing on LARRY KING LIVE.
Before we allocution with Agent McCain, anybody who may accept aloof acquainted in, American Airlines Boeing 757, en avenue from New York to Dallas, absent to Dulles International. There you see a alive attempt of Dulles International on this Monday night.
Passengers were abandoned afterwards a aggressive agenda was activate on the plane. Flight 785 took off from New York’s La Guardia Airport, 141 aboard, a aggregation of eight. The alike landed. The cartage abandoned cautiously via emergency chutes. Admiral shut the west ancillary of the airport. An airport official said that a fair bulk of law administering has amidst the plane.
We activate with Agent John McCain. We asked the agent his acknowledgment to Advocate Accepted Ashcroft’s blackmail today, issued backward this afternoon.
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: Well, I acknowledge the actuality that they appetite to active the American people, but I do accept that it would be accessible if we had some specificity. I anticipate Americans are on the active now. I anticipate they’re absolute attentive and absolute active to annihilation that they anticipate adeptness be adverse or suspicious. And so I anticipate I’d like to accept some specificity speaking, I think, for my constituents.
KING: In added words, what do we do with the warning?
MCCAIN: Yes. In added words, what should we be on the anchor for? If we are declared to be on alert, what are we declared to be alerted to?
I acknowledge the actuality that they accept all of our law administering bodies all over the country on abounding and complete alert, and I’m comforted by that. But I’m not absolutely abiding what Americans are actuality warned against.
KING: So are you adage that you would acquaint the public, if you were in that position, if the blackmail were a architecture here, you would acquaint them this is the threat?
MCCAIN: I would try to be specific, but I additionally understand, and I apperceive best Americans are acquainted of the actuality that they don’t appetite to abandon the sources of their information, because that’s a analytical aspect of this accomplished war to action terrorism.
KING: Afresh why say anything?
MCCAIN: It’s a boxy call. I don’t know, to acquaint you the truth.
KING: Were senators briefed?
MCCAIN: No. I was not. But again, I anticipate that we should be warned, and decidedly are those who are in law administering and military, et cetera. But I would, if at all possible, we would — I would like to accept some added specificity associated with this warning, so that we would not be in abhorrence of the unknown, which is apparently one of the greatest problems that we face in this war on terror.
KING: Senator;, did you anticipate there would be the acknowledgment there has been to your allotment in “The Wall Artery Journal”?
MCCAIN: It was a lot added than I anticipation it would be.
KING: In essence, you were adage — put it in your own words and afresh we’ll get some specifics.
MCCAIN: I’m adage that we are in a action for the adaptation of United States of America. We accept articular the enemy, and we accept to do whatever is all-important to eradicate that adversary as bound as possible, application whatever means, reasonable bureau all-important to do so.
I say “reasonable” because I don’t contemplate the use of weapons of accumulation destruction.
But that bureau that issues such as whether Ramadan is coming, the cachet of our coalition, noncombatant casualties — as adverse as they are — and added issues are all accessory to our mission, which is to seek out and abort the adversary wherever they are.
KING: And you say: “We cannot action this war from the air alone. We cannot action it afterwards casualties. We cannot action it afterwards risking accident to altruistic and political interests. So be it.” In added words, for appetite of a bigger term, gung-ho.
MCCAIN: For appetite of a bigger term, we can’t acquiesce our primary mission to be impacted decidedly by these added issues, as important as they may be by themselves, because if we acquiesce this adversary to succeed, and absolutely survive in the case of Mr. bin Laden, afresh we will be acceding the approaching of the United States of America in jeopardy. And so, let’s do what’s necessary, including arena forces, if necessary, in assertive respects, and — and do it as bound as possible.
KING: Accept you heard, senator, from the White Abode or the Defense Department about your piece?
MCCAIN: I accept not, but I did watch Secretary Rumsfeld over the weekend on several allocution shows, and he didn’t assume to be in disagreement.
KING: You additionally — do you booty into anniversary — would you if you were admiral booty into anniversary the animosity of Pakistan?
MCCAIN: I absolutely would. But I additionally would booty into anniversary the actuality that if we fail, the affairs of Accepted Musharraf blockage in adeptness are acutely dim. And the quicker we accomplish and the quicker we prevail, the added solid that administering will be and the bigger befalling we will accept to accumulate our affiliation together.
I anticipate one of the affidavit why some of our accompany in the breadth are abashed is because they’re not absolute that we’re in there to stay, that we’re in it to the end.
KING: As the admiral of Pakistan told this appearance aftermost week, you bodies leave…
MCCAIN: And he’s got a point. Afterwards the Persian Gulf War, there was a acumen on the allotment of abounding leaders in that allotment of the apple that we fabricated a cogent aberration by abrogation Saddam Hussein in power, and he now to, in the appearance of every cold observer, continues his efforts to access and use weapons of accumulation destruction.
KING: How do you see, senator, arena troops in this war? Do you apperceive them accomplishing what? MCCAIN: You know, I’m — as you mentioned at the alpha of the show, I’m an old pilot. But I don’t pretend to accept the adeptness and adeptness that the Pentagon has and added aggressive experts have. But I accept that you would accept to accept some troops on the arena so that you could date operations out of — out of assertive areas in Afghanistan in adjustment to eradicate these agitator cells. I don’t anticipate that you can do the job by air adeptness alone. And I anticipate history authenticates that.
KING: So do you see this as commandos cavern by cave?
MCCAIN: I anticipate that acceptable intelligence is our aboriginal requirement, which has not been that acceptable in the past. And afresh I anticipate it requires operations from both air and on the arena to abstract and eradicate these assorted organizations. And I admit abounding well, as anybody does that’s anytime been there, that the winters are harsh, the breadth is hostile, and the bodies are absolute adamantine to find. But that doesn’t beggarly that we don’t backpack out the job, and that’s why I say it may booty some arena operations as well.
KING: And wars accept been definable. We apperceive aback an adversary surrenders a war is over.
KING: How in your appearance does this war end?
MCCAIN: We accept Mr. bin Laden taken affliction of, aback the agitator beef are eradicated in Afghanistan, there is a government of some affectionate of coalition, of some affectionate of basal action in Afghanistan. And afresh we accept to accede the added states that anchorage terrorists and are a blackmail to our survival. And of course, the aing footfall is Iraq, and we accept to abode that issue.
KING: And I’ll get to that. What allotment do we or the U.N. comedy in that new accompaniment in Afghanistan?
MCCAIN: I anticipate it would be an ideal role for the United Nations. I anticipate they’re absolute acceptable at peacekeeping, not absolute acceptable at peacemaking. And I anticipate our accord and admonition would be important. But I additionally anticipate our allies, both in and from afterwards the region, who additionally accept basal civic aegis interests at stake, could booty up that accountability to a ample degree.
KING: The admiral talked about backbone today. We’ll ask Agent McCain about that chat and how he would administer it to this event. And additionally about Iraq and added things.
Senator John McCain is with us, lots of abundant guests tonight. Don’t go away.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The American bodies are absolute accommodating and they acknowledge the efforts of the government and they acknowledge the efforts of the military. They accept bigger than most, bigger than the apple that this is action booty a connected aeon of time, and they are able for this.
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KING: We are aback with Agent John McCain of Arizona. The admiral said today, the alarm of patience. Do you apostle patience?
MCCAIN: Oh, I anticipate the admiral is absolutely right, and I anticipate he’s accomplishing a abundant job arch the country and advancement the abutment of the people. I anticipate that what he is saying, which was not necessarily what some others in the administering were adage — and he’s been adage it consistently — is that it’s action to crave patience, we’re in for the connected haul.
But we additionally accept to, as bound as possible, apply best bulk of force, in my view, including, by the way, badly ascent the air attacks, decidedly on the Taliban ambit that are adverse the Northern Alliance.
KING: So you would disagree with Agent Biden’s abstraction of abbreviation that air effect?
MCCAIN: I hadn’t heard Agent Biden’s views, but I’d…
KING: Well, he bidding apropos about the accessible fallout from a diffuse air campaign, adage it would reinforce stereotypes about the United States as a high-tech bully.
MCCAIN: Well, I talked to Joe about that. He said that he was — those animadversion were taken out of context. But I — but ambience that aside, the harder we hit them with best force the beneath this accomplished advance is action to be, in my view. And as the admiral has so eloquently stated, the added we argue our adversaries that we’re in it for the connected haul, afresh the beneath this action can be, because afresh there’s this catechism of our blockage power. And I’m assertive the American bodies will breach for a long, connected time in this action and abutment the president.
KING: How about Iraq?
MCCAIN: Saddam Hussein is developing weapons of accumulation aition as bound as he can. The Czech government has arise meetings, contacts amid Iraqi intelligence and Mohamed Atta. The affirmation is absolute clear.
I anticipate that the timing is a catechism of — of a strategy, but I additionally accept that Saddam Hussein, in his present state, poses a blackmail to the aegis of the United States of America. So we will accept to act, I think. But that accommodation is made, I believe, afterwards we booty affliction of this accurate bearings we are adverse now.
KING: Do you anticipate demography it to Iraq?
MCCAIN: I anticipate accomplishing what is all-important to annihilate threats wherever they exist. The admiral declared time and time afresh those countries that anchorage terrorists will be captivated responsible. Iraq has done a lot added than that, and I anticipate they’ll be captivated responsible.
KING: So you — are we talking semantics, or you would booty it to them?
MCCAIN: I would — I would, quote, “take it to them” if there was the connected perception, which I accept there will be, at the time, at the able time breadth they affectation a blackmail to United States civic security. But again, I anticipate we affliction to booty affliction of one botheration at a time.
KING: All right. You were an aviator. Breadth do you angle on this aerodynamics abstraction of should it be federalized or should it be federal rules with clandestine administering it?
MCCAIN: The flight associates and the pilots and all those associated with aerodynamics accept that it’s a law administering function. We don’t — we don’t arrangement out the FBI or the Boarder Patrol or any added law administering action of government. We allegation to do that.
The actuality that some bodies assume to be abashed about these bodies actuality associates of unions, I don’t accept that argument. We’re talking about a civic aegis issue. Americans do not accept aplomb yet in aerial on airliners. We allegation to accord them that aplomb by casual this legislation, and I achievement we will do it soon.
KING: And I anticipate Andy Card said that he would, the admiral would assurance alike the Senate version.
MCCAIN: Which, by the way, was 100 to nothing. It’s been declared as a Democrat bill. The vote was 100 to annihilation in the United States Senate.
I achievement that the Abode will move, and I achievement we will get an agreement. And obviously, my alternative is that the top 140 airports in America accept federal employees. But the point is that it’s time to act.
KING: And what about anthrax and the Senate and arrangement barrio and abrogation town? Breadth are we today?
MCCAIN: I anticipate our agencies of government are accomplishing aggregate that they can to clue this bottomward and abode the issue. I anticipate Tom Ridge is absolute well-placed to allege on this affair to the American bodies aback we allegation one voice. And I anticipate we’re action to get it with Tom Ridge there. And I apperceive it’s a abhorrent challenge. I — I don’t accept the accurate adeptness or adeptness to accomplish a acumen on how austere this is. But I’m abiding we will abound over this one as well. KING: We accept a changeabout here. I was at — I was in Washington bygone at the Redskin game. And a aggressive official said to me, we accept article awe-inspiring action on, Agent McCain. We accept servicemen across autograph home abashed about the bodies at home.
MCCAIN: Well, that — that shows the force of this blackmail to America. They are aggravating to affright us. They are aggravating to agitate our resolve. And they are aggravating to abort the things that we accept in. And that’s why this action is so important, and that’s why we accept to do whatever is all-important to accompany it to an end as bound as possible.
KING: There never will be a absolute achievement over terrorism, will there? I mean, there will consistently be agitation about somehow.
MCCAIN: Sure. There will consistently be. Aloof like there was the Oklahoma Burghal bombing and added acts of calm terror.
But there’s a abundant aberration amid the actuality that we may be apparent to acts of terror, and countries who harbor, finance, board training, and an ambiance for these bodies to be able to develop, coordinate, and backpack out attacks of agitation on the United States of America. Wherever they are, if they’re abiding out and if they’re on the run, they’re action to be badly bargain in their capability and their adeptness to inflect — administer these acts of alarm aloft the bodies of this country.
KING: And one added affair on Ramadan. You say: “We allegation adios appeals to append aggressive operations to board the religious practices of afflicted populations.” In added words, you can never accede that in war? War is hell — period?
MCCAIN: The aftermost time I apperceive I was Christmas of 1914, the Germans and British came out of the trenches and fraternized.
Look, the Egyptians attacked. There was an advance on Israel during Ramadan. The Iranians and the Iraqis fought through several Ramadans. The actuality is that the Koran doesn’t absolutely prohibit it. So I don’t anticipate it’s an affair anymore than angry on Christmas is, article we’d rather not do, but article that absolutely should not be an cardinal factor.
KING: Consistently acceptable talking with you. Acknowledge you so much, senator.
MCCAIN: Acknowledge you, Larry.
KING: Agent John McCain, Republican of Arizona, a abundant busy hero and a affiliate of the Armed Casework Committee.
More senators, added guests coming. Lots of big guests advancing this week. We’ll be cogent you about that, too. We’ll be adapted back.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ASHCROFT: If bodies booty these warnings seriously, they go about their lives, but they participate with backbone in the added accomplish that are taken by law administering authorities, they are absolute acceptable accommodating in the blockage of agitation and in the disruption of terrorism.
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KING: We now acceptable to LARRY KING LIVE, all in Washington, Agent Richard Lugar, Republican of Indiana, affiliate of Foreign Relations and the Select Committee on Intelligence; Congressman Christopher Shays, Republican of Connecticut, administrator of Civic Security, Veterans Affairs, International Relations Subcommittee. Tomorrow, the Government Reform Committee — he’s a affiliate — holds an blank audition on the assurance of postal workers and the U.S. mail. And Congresswoman Jane Harman, Democrat of California, baronial affiliate of the new Abode Intelligence Subcommittee on Agitation and Citizenry Security. They captivated an accessible audition on calm accommodation and emergency acknowledgment to agitator attacks today in New York City.
We alpha with Agent Lugar. What do you accomplish of what Advocate Accepted Ashcroft had to say today about alarm threats and allegorical agencies to accord with it?
SEN. RICHARD LUGAR (R), INDIANA: Well, I assume that Advocate Accepted Ashcroft acquainted that by the time a arrangement or alike faxes were beatific to 18,000 law administering officers, this would be intercepted by best account organizations, and it was best artlessly to acquaint the American bodies that there is a austere threat. Likewise, I accept to accord the accessible an adumbration that if they’re inconvenienced added by law administering or aegis people, whoever they may be, that this is the reason.
I anticipate that’s about all you can say about it. I would accede with Agent McCain it would accept been advantageous to accept added specifics. I assume the acumen there were not specifics is that this would accept abandoned intelligence sources and methods, and accustomed abroad added than we bare to accord away.
KING: You were not briefed, Agent Lugar, on it.
LUGAR: My arrangement was told that the secretary was action or the advocate accepted was action to do what he was action to do. So I was able to listen, and did with best Americans.
REP. CHRISTOPHER SHAYS (R), CONNECTICUT: Congressman Shays, what did you think?
SHAYS: I anticipate both senators accept covered it well. I aloof appetite you to know, I’m on the alert, I’m ready. I can’t any added accessible than I am.
KING: To do what?
SHAYS: That’s the accomplished point. You know, I’m aloof alert, and so are the American people. So it’s about like…
KING: So you attending both bureau aback you leave your house? What active means?
SHAYS: Well, it bureau — it bureau I don’t esplanade to the car in advanced of me as deeply in case I accept to get out. It bureau I apprehension who comes on airplanes. It bureau a lot of things. And it bureau I’m accurate how I accessible my mail. I’m accomplishing aggregate I can do.
KING: Congresswoman Harman, what did you accomplish of the active today by the advocate accepted and the FBI director?
REP. JANE HARMAN (D), CALIFORNIA: I anticipate it was a mistake. Rudy Giuliani this morning told us to go about and alive our accustomed lives, and afresh all of a abrupt we apprehend there’s article abroad coming, that’s action to accomplish bodies dive beneath their mattresses again. I anticipate it’s absolute important that the administering allege with one voice. I anticipate that should be Tom Ridge. The bulletin should be reassuring, and we should get specific admonition about what we’re declared to do.
Everyone is already on alert. It makes no faculty except for a authoritative cover-your-posterior acumen to do this.
KING: Agent Lugar, the New York ambassador was additionally allurement badge about the country to — they allegation be a by federal, FBI and added officials, to allotment intelligence with bounded badge and government officials. That should be mandatory. Do you agree?
LUGAR: Well, assertive intelligence should be shared. Once again, it’s a bulk of degree. And I would say that as abundant as can be aggregate affliction to be. For the aforementioned acumen we accept all been discussing this evening, the American bodies affliction to be cut in on as abundant as possible, because we’re in this together.
KING: And Congressman Shays, tomorrow your subcommittee is action to ascendancy a audition on admonition administration amid federal and bounded law administering officials. What are your views?
SHAYS: Well, first, let me aloof say Agent Lugar makes the point that I aloof appetite to emphasize. We accept amazing adeptness to do analytic assignment with our bounded law administering agencies and we aren’t accomplishing it. And the bill that we aloof afresh anesthetized that was active into law requires the FBI to allotment admonition with INS and the Accompaniment Department, which they weren’t do doing. But they allegation to booty advantage of the absurd adeptness to get admonition on the bounded level, and they allegation to do it adapted away.
KING: I’m sorry. Go ahead.
SHAYS: I was aloof action to say, in agreement of our audition tomorrow, we — the postmaster is action to be there. He’s action to acquaint us what they’re doing. We’re action to apprehend from all four of the above unions in the column arrangement accessories to accord them a adventitious to accurate their concerns.
They accept a lot of frustration. They deserve to be heard. And we do — we allegation to accept to them.
KING: Tomorrow night, Congresswoman Harman, on this program, together, Secretary Thompson of Bloom and Animal Casework and Dr. Jeffrey Koplan, the arch of the Centers for Disease Control, will appear. And there accept some who are adage that we’re array of up in the air on this, that the facts haven’t been forthcoming, that somebody said that Secretary Thompson doesn’t accept any medical background, he’s in a boxy position. What’s your anticipation on how able-bodied we’re administering this calm problem?
HARMAN: Well, I was at the CDC aftermost week. About 10 of us went bottomward there. It’s the best accomplished accumulation of bodies in the shabbiest accessories you’ve anytime seen, and they’re alive as fast as they can to get on top of this. But they were bedfast aftermost anniversary aback they never accustomed the absolute letter delivered to Agent Daschle, so they didn’t apperceive the exact akin of composure of the anthrax it contained.
I anticipate there are too abounding voices, too abounding messages. Tom Ridge needs approved authority. He needs to be the articulation carrying the administration’s bulletin on citizenry security.
KING: Agent Lugar, he’s action to be, isn’t he — Agent Lugar, isn’t he action to be? He’s action to accept three columnist conferences a week?
LUGAR: That’s the plan, but I accede with Congresswoman Harman that this needs to appear absolute soon. And three a anniversary may not be enough.
We don’t apperceive day by day how abundant interpretations require, but there allegation be one voice. And alike added importantly, whether arrangement or not, he needs to accept the ascendancy to try to accompany calm all these disparate agencies.
All able-bodied and acceptable to allocution about intelligence accepting to bounded badge admiral and sheriffs, but that’s not action to appear in America afterwards a absolute able political push, with the admiral continuing adapted abaft Tom Ridge, and perhaps, as some accept suggested, aldermanic authority, account authority, adeptness to able heads, to assuredly accomplish article of what contrarily is action to be a absolute disparate system.
SHAYS: Larry, can…
KING: Congressman Shays, you were action — yeah, go ahead, Chris.
SHAYS: He needs to do what the three commissions accept said. We allegation to appraise the agitator threat, we allegation a strategy, and we allegation to ultimately reorganize. But the key for me adapted now is to advance the appraisal of the blackmail and the strategy. And I affliction beneath about him speaking to the public. I appetite him to t up. He’s on a aerial acquirements curve.
I anticipate it’s important that he get the added government bureau bodies to allege with the aforementioned basal message, but I don’t anticipate he has to be the alone one we apprehend from.
KING: Let’s booty a call. Tampa, Florida, hello.
CALLER: Yes, Larry. My catechism for the console is, with the approaching crisis that Mr. Ashcroft has absolutely told the nation, what admonition would you accept for parents and teachers, the accouchement for approaching danger, and maybe try to explain to them the bearings and maybe calm fears, but yet absolutely brainwash them for the future?
KING: Yeah, Congresswoman Harman, what would you say? Kids are action to go trick-or-treating tomorrow night all over America.
HARMAN: Well, assure your kids that they’re action to be safe and afresh watch them carefully. I anticipate trick-or-treating is accomplished as connected as you go to a adjacency you are accustomed with, parents are there, and they watch for signs of trouble.
I anticipate as we’ve all told our kids over the years, don’t eat any bonbon that isn’t sealed, and it’s the aforementioned message. Again, I anticipate we should be out. I anticipate we should alive our lives as Americans, but be active and vigilant.
KING: Agent Lugar, are you — we apperceive Congressman Shays is. Are you active and vigilant?
LUGAR: I absolutely am, every day. Each one of us is, and we will accept to abide to be for a connected time.
I anticipate it’s absolute important we altercate these incidents, and the apple with our accouchement and our grandchildren as I’ve been doing. And I’m abiding that’s accurate of best associates of Congress. That’s a absolute animal ambit with grandchildren and accouchement broadcast over the country and others who are abashed about us…
KING: Allocution about it.
LUGAR: Aback actuality — apprehend about the Hart Building, for example. I’m adapted in the average of the Hart Building, adapted in the aforementioned aisle with Agent Daschle and blast and so forth.
Now, we had a appealing acceptable arrangement today. I abstruse abundant added afresh about anthrax, about the way they’re action to antisepticize that building. In fact, I adeptness assuredly accept an arrangement November 13th.
KING: Let me get a break. I’ll aces adapted up with you, Dick.
By the way, Agent Daschle will be with us on Wednesday night.
When we appear back, James Kallstrom will accompany us. We’re action to accumulate our panel. We’ll appear aback to them. But we’re action to absorb some moments with the administrator of the afresh created New York Accompaniment Arrangement of Accessible Security, above abettor administrator of the FBI, James Kallstrom will be with us.
As we go to break, the latest copy of TIME anniversary out today has an absolute photo article on how Admiral Bush is ambulatory his aggregation in these afflicted times. The columnist is Brooks Kraft. Here’s a look.
KING: We now acceptable to LARRY KING LIVE, James Kallstrom, administrator — and by the way, our console will be aback with us in a little while. Administrator of the afresh created New York Accompaniment Arrangement of Accessible Security, above FBI abettor administrator in charge. He was, amid abounding added things, he led the FBI’s analysis into TWA 800 aback in July of ’96, breadth his face was a circadian bulk on American television.
Why did you booty this job?
JAMES KALLSTROM, DIRECTOR, NEW YORK STATE OFFICE PUBLIC SECURITY: Well, like many, I’m sure, that sat on the couch and watched this abominable affair unfold, had this gnawing action in your affection that you had to do article and use the abilities that were accumulated over the aftermost brace of decades. So aback the governor alleged me, which I didn’t apprehend to get a call, but aback he did, it was — it was nice that he would accord me the adventitious to contribute.
KING: Do you accept clout, Jim?
KALLSTROM: Oh, big-time clout. He’s appealing abundant accustomed me a appealing ample attending at the absolute state, all the operations.
I can acquaint you, the accompaniment of New York is well-positioned and we’re attractive to accomplish it alike better-positioned. The point of accepting acceptable accordant admonition bottomward to the cops on the street, the sheriffs on the street, the bodies that are active about 24 hours a day, walking beats, and that apperceive the communities, Larry, that’s the key to this, and we’re alive overtime to accomplish that happen.
KING: Did you apprehend from the advocate accepted today — I’m abiding you heard his account — had you heard above-mentioned what these warnings were about?
KALLSTROM: Yes, we did apprehend prior. We had a arrangement alarm with Governor Ridge, and we discussed the absolute matter, and I discussed it with Governor Pataki and the law enforcements administration actuality in New York state.
KING: Do you anticipate Agent McCain was adapted aback he said you should be specific and acquaint us what the threats entailed?
KALLSTROM: Well, I accept what he’s saying, but you know, we accept to comedy it — I accept what the congresswoman is adage also. I don’t apperceive breadth I appear bottomward on the blazon of ample threat, but I can acquaint you, accepting formed in that business for a long, connected time, there are things that you apperceive that if you acknowledge in any specificity those sources would dry up or that admonition be irrelevant. So it is a tightrope that you walk, Larry. You know, why they absitively to appear out with these broad, accepted threats, I assumption you’d accept to ask them.
KING: Well, let’s booty an archetype of what could appear tomorrow night. There’s a abode that Admiral Bush is planning to appear tomorrow night’s Apple Series d at Yankee Stadium; at Madison Square Garden, maybe 6 afar from the stadium, Michael Jordan allotment to the NBA tomorrow night at a sold-out accident at Madison Square Garden. Is tomorrow night a alarming night for you?
KALLSTROM: It’s addition night in New York. I mean, New York does those things, and they do it does bigger than anybody abroad actuality in the burghal and in the state. We’re anxious about those events, obviously, but I can acquaint you that every acute footfall will be taken. And we’re assured that we’re all action to accept a acceptable time in New York tomorrow.
KING: So but you are — are you not concerned?
KALLSTROM: Absolutely we’re concerned. We’d be brainless not to be, Larry. But let’s not forget, you know, this is the greatest country in the world. We’re the acceptable guys. We accept nothing, annihilation to fear, annihilation to be abashed of. They did this to us. They’re the bad guys. We’re the acceptable guys. We’ll anticipate out of the box. We’ll get these people, accept me. Everybody is supermotivated, like I’ve never seen.
And we are action to do all adapted here. And everybody should adore our way of action and our society, and this abundant burghal and this abundant accompaniment and this abundant country. And I can acquaint you that law administering and all those that abutment law administering are energized, and we will see this through.
We accept to accept a connected appearance here. And we can’t let every bang in the alley or every bit of accessory damage, you know, get us off this aisle and this 24-hour account cycle. You know, we alpha seeing some accessory accident — we accept to attending above that.
KING: Now, you were in the Bureau, and Ambassador Giuliani testifying today — and Congresswoman Harman was there allurement questions — said that the Bureau and added federal agencies should allotment a lot added admonition with bounded agencies. Now, you’ve larboard the Bureau and you’re a accompaniment agency. Should they allotment more?
KALLSTROM: I anticipate absolutely, that we should allotment not maybe the raw intelligence. That’s not as critical. But we allegation to put in the minds and the eyes and the accuracy of law enforcement, the bodies on the street, the accordant facts.
If there’s terrorists in the United States adapted now, somebody is attractive at them, Larry. Badge admiral are seeing them appear and go from places they live, breadth they eat, breadth they go to restaurants, whatever they do. We accept to anticipate ahead, anticipate out of the box, anticipate what those clues will be. Afterwards the fact, afterwards 9-11, it was array of astonishing that they array of lived the way they did in this country. And we could accept captivated them up in bristles account if we had a few clues. So what are those clues now? That’s what we’re aggravating to bulk out. And we will bulk it out.
KING: And we will be calling on you again. But one added affair for this time, why are you so optimistic?
KALLSTROM: Well, I’m an optimistic person, but I attending at the bodies that are about me. I attending at all of us that are in this business that accord our action for accessible assurance and civic security, and I’ve never apparent bodies as energized, Larry. And if the country can adhere calm and all the politicians can adhere together, we will see this through. We’ll be a stronger nation for it. And we will be aloof — not — a bigger nation than we were. So I’m a absolute confident.
KING: Thanks for actuality with us. We’re action to alarm on you again. James Kallstrom, outstanding official, above abettor administrator of the FBI and now the arch of the New York accompaniment arrangement of accessible security. He’s their director.
Now aback to our panel. Agent Lugar, what did you accomplish of what James Kallstrom had to say in general?
LUGAR: Well, I’m admiring that he’s on the job. And it’s accessible that he’s aloof gotten there — he’s had a lot of experience. But at the aforementioned time, we’re aback to the aforementioned questions you were allurement earlier. How specific, how do you alike with the locals? How do you get admonition to the American people?
And the catechism tomorrow night was a absolute difficult question, and we ambition him every success.
KING: And it’s additionally Halloween.
KING: Yeah, Congressman Shays, what did you accomplish of about — Kallstrom, of course, is one of the veterans of badge work.
SHAYS: He’s a superb appointment, and what bigger way to get the FBI affectionate of complex in bounded action than to accept him in New York City. And he’s right. This — this day you mentioned, day tomorrow, is like a archetypal day in New York. Lots of abundant things appear in that admirable city.
KING: And Congresswoman Harman?
HARMAN: Well, this affair of FBI declining to allotment admonition with bounded law administering was the affair this morning at our audition in New York. Following the hearing, absolutely at 2:30 this afternoon, FBI Administrator Bob Mueller in Toronto for a badge chiefs affair appear that he would access cooperation.
The point, however, is that in New York Burghal there are 40,000 badge in the NYPD. There are alone 11,000 FBI agents nationwide. Aloof by the numbers, you’ve got to accept bounded law administering apperceive what’s up, contrarily they can’t assure New Yorkers and visitors who are at Yankees Amphitheater or any abode in New York.
KING: Some added — added items, Agent Lugar. What do you accomplish about new concepts of restrictions on immigrants, Arab nationalists and others?
LUGAR: I’m assertive we’re action to revisit clearing in a big way. Now, the catechism is how abundant the American bodies are able to pay for this. In essence, 400,000 bodies adeptness be tracked about the United States as to why they came in, why they overstayed. Likewise, the botheration of students, best of them actuality absolute legitimately, and at the bidding of our own universities. They pay abounding tuition. They’re absolute important.
Yet at the aforementioned time, one of the basal capacity the admiral talked about today were the overstaying or the counterfeit stays of hijackers that came as students. These are absolute boxy and big-ticket issues, and we’ve got to accouterment them alternating with a accomplished lot of added things simultaneously.
KING: We’ll booty a call. Fairfield, California, hello.
CALLER: My catechism is about the anthrax.
CALLER: The Daschle and Brokaw belletrist — it bankrupt bottomward the Capitol, and now the mail, the postal services, they’re like bags of bodies on the Cipro or whatever. What about the mail that went to the hundreds of homes, the — bodies that accustomed mail from these column offices?
KING: I accept today in New Jersey, Congressman Shays — you’re the able in this breadth — addition not identified, not with the Column Office, not with the media has been afflicted with anthrax. So does she accept a acceptable question?
SHAYS: Well, it’s a absolute important question. And the column arrangement is action to be attractive for bureau to assure mail. They’re action to potentially brighten the mail, accomplish abiding that bacilli isn’t sustainable.
I mean, we’re action to be attractive at a lot of things we didn’t alike anticipate a few weeks ago we would anytime accept to consider. But there’s amazing adeptness in this country, and you’re action to accept entrepreneurs who are action to be able to appear and say, we accept article that can accommodated your need. It will aloof booty us a little time.
KING: So you are — of course, you’ve been bleak in some areas. In this area, you’re optimistic?
SHAYS: Oh, I accept been — I haven’t been bleak about our solutions. I’m aloof bleak that bodies won’t apprehend this is a war and that we’re in a chase with the terrorists. If they apperceive we’re in a chase with the terrorists and apperceive why we accept to action this war, they’ll apperceive why our assets allegation to be spent to accord with all the problems we’re action to be facing. And as connected as they apperceive that, I’m very, absolute hopeful.
KING: What did you accomplish of the hearings today, Congressman Harman?
HARMAN: I anticipation they were terrific. We had 10 associates of Congress, Ambassador Giuliani, and his lead, aboriginal responder accumulation — police, fire, bloom and so forth. And afresh we had three governors from Georgia, Oklahoma and Florida — Jeb Bush was there. And they were talking about agitator incidents in their accompaniment and how they dealt with it. The Olympics in ’96, and acutely the Oklahoma Federal Architecture bombing, and the anthrax alarm in Florida.
They’re competent. We had the sheriff of Los Angeles County — your new home, Larry — Lee Baca talking about how adorable L.A. is. Those are the successes.
The botheration is, what about added genitalia of the country breadth they’re not up to that level? If one allotment of the country isn’t safe, we’re all not safe. The, you know, the — it’s alone — we’re alone as able as our weakest link, and that’s the challenge. And that is why, again, I feel so acerb that we allegation a accommodating citizenry aegis program. We allegation account ascendancy for Tom Ridge. We allegation one articulation speaking for our absolute government.
The war at home is aloof as deadly, and conceivably added deadly, than the war we’re angry abroad.
KING: And one quick catechism for Agent Lugar afore we acknowledge you. Senator, aback you’re on Foreign Relations, we’re now in the fourth anniversary in Afghanistan. What do you accomplish of that operation?
LUGAR: I anticipate the operation is action well. I anticipate that bodies are abrupt and they appetite success adapted away. I accept aplomb that the aggressive bodies in actuality are ambience the date to defeat Osama bin Laden, and in fact, our best basal botheration will be apparently to ascendancy calm some government in Afghanistan afterwards we accept expelled the Taliban, and likewise, in Pakistan, aing door.
Now above that, John McCain said beforehand tonight, we accept some added beef in added places. And we’re action to anticipate advanced how we advance the coalition, how we advance the aforementioned spirit that we accept out in Afghanistan.
KING: Acknowledge you all, Agent Richard Lugar, Congressman Christopher Shays and Congresswoman Jane Harman. Advancing next, Steven Engelberg and Judith Miller, two of the three that wrote the delinquent album “Germs: Biological Weapons and America’s Secret War.”
As we go to break, added pictures from the new affair of “TIME” magazine.
KING: We now acceptable to LARRY KING LIVE, acknowledgment appointment for Judith Miller, chief biographer of “The New York Times,” almsman of an anthrax alarm letter. Did not accept anthrax, however. She’s coauthor of “Germs: Biological Weapons and America’s Secret War.” Alternating with her, one of the three authors, Stephen Engelberg, analytic editor of “The New York Times,” and considered, of course, addition able in this growing field. “Germs” is the book they co-wrote. William Ample is the added writer.
It’s No. 1 on “The New York Times” album album weeks — for the weeks of October 28 and November 4th. We congratulate them on that.
And Judith, what did you accomplish of the Ashcroft admonishing today?
JUDITH MILLER, CO-AUTHOR, “GERMS”: I was a little addled and a little worried. I allotment Agent McCain’s action about it.
I anticipate that it’s one affair to acquaint Americans to go out and boutique and advance accustomed lives, but I anticipate it’s affectionate of adamantine to do that if at the aforementioned time every anniversary they’re additionally saying, you know, be afraid, be absolute afraid, there’s article out there, we can’t acquaint you what it is.
So I’m not absolutely assertive what purpose it serves to affair a admonishing like that.
KING: Do you accept a laryngitis, Judith?
MILLER: I’m afraid, Larry, I do. I’ve been aggravating to accumulate quiet all day so that I can allocution to you tonight.
KING: You’re advancing through. It’s aloof I’m concerned.
You’re all right, though?
MILLER: I’m fine. We apperceive what it’s not. Let me put it that way.
KING: Bodies get anthrax scares and accept a arise throat or something, you worry.
MILLER: I know. This is aloof accustomed laryngitis.
KING: Stephen, what did you accomplish of the Ashcroft-Mueller hearing?
STEPHEN ENGELBERG, CO-AUTHOR, “GERMS”: Well, I mean, I’m with Judy.
KING: Not hearing. Mini columnist conference.
ENGELBERG: I’m with Judy. I anticipate that our government would do able-bodied to stop adage over and over again, be afraid. I mean, I anticipate that the alone affair you can achieve from this is that they appetite to acquaint us, should annihilation happen, well, we’ve been warned.
And I accept that we in the columnist accept a addiction of assault up on them, you know, if they don’t appear advanced with all accessible intelligence. But the actuality of the bulk is, if I were Osama bin Laden and I were aggravating to assassinate a array of cerebral operation adjoin the United States, I would these kinds of akin connected warnings of threats.
It aloof doesn’t admonition an American. What’s the adapted affair to do at this point? What do you do aback you apprehend one of these blackmail warnings?
KING: Judith, breadth are we now? What do we apperceive that we didn’t apperceive weeks ago?
MILLER: Well, we do know, Larry, that the spores in the Daschle letter were absolute authentic and were able to float through the air. They formed an aerosol, a baleful one for at atomic three people.
We additionally apperceive — and this we didn’t apperceive afore — that somehow, through the bundling action of the column office, anthrax could escape a bankrupt letter. I mean, the actuality of the bulk is I anticipate we apperceive now that we don’t apperceive as abundant as we anticipation we knew about anthrax. And it highlights the abridgement of analysis that’s been done in this field.
We additionally apperceive today that there is not, and tonight, the accretion in the anthrax, that Accepted Parker today said that there was silica. And that’s a altered accretion altogether.
KING: Meaning? So, that means?
MILLER: Well, it bureau that — one of the things it bureau is that this is an accretion that was acclimated in the American weapons affairs a connected time ago. That doesn’t beggarly that it’s an American who did it or that it’s anyone from an American program. It’s artlessly addition clue that one day may admonition us pin bottomward this antecedent of anthrax. But we still don’t apperceive that source. We’re still all speculating.
KING: Stephen, you afresh wrote that this bioterrorism advance has plunged the accessible bloom enactment into adopted territory. Does that accord you abundant concern?
ENGELBERG: Yes, it does. I mean, if you attending at the kinds of things we were array of belief in the book, we looked at these massive bioterrorism events: communicable diseases overextension through accomplished cities, crop dusters spraying germs. As far as I know, no government book anytime advised the blackmail from a letter because it was advised too small. And yet, attending what’s happened.
Our accessible bloom laboratories are artificial to the breaking point. We’ve had all kinds of abashing from accessible admiral about how to handle this. You know, if we’re advantageous and this is as bad as it gets, I anticipate we’ve had an acutely admired and important wake-up call, and it’s absolutely apparent the vulnerability what we’re action to accept to abode in the advancing years.
KING: Judith, what’s your better anguish adapted now tonight?
KING: Added than laryngitis.
MILLER: Added than I may not accept any articulation by the end of the program. I assumption I anguish all the time about whether or not Americans are actuality abashed unduly. I anticipate that the affectionate of affairs that are beneath way are basically the adapted ones. I could affray with whether or not I anticipate Cipro is the adapted biologic to be prescribing. I don’t.
But in general, I anticipate Americans accept to be confident, and aback you accept to Jim Kallstrom talk, and Agent Lugar, Jane Harman, Christopher Shays, these are some of the bodies who’ve absolutely been angry this action for some time, aggravating to active Americans. And now, the government is alerted.
So I’m not worried. I don’t go to bed at night apprehensive whether or not America or New York is action to be attacked. I anguish that bodies will balloon that recovery, absolute biodefense is a abiding hypothesis and an big-ticket one. And I’m abashed that absorption will flag.
KING: Booty affliction of yourself, Judy. Acknowledge you, Stephen.
MILLER: Acknowledge you.
KING: “Germs: Biological Weapons and America’s Secret War.” Judith Miller and Stephen Engelberg co-authors.
When we appear back, an amazing agreeable experience. We end every appearance with one. We’re action to apprehend from Diamond Rio. Don’t go away.
KING: We now welcome, aing us from Nashville, the band. They are Diamond Rio. Marty Roe is the advance singer. They took allotment in a civic account for the victims of October — on September 21. They did it on October 21st. They’re in for the anniversary alms tournament. They’re action to do a big account concert in New Jersey on December 14. And they’re action to sing their abundant song, “One Added Day.” It’s up for both distinct and song of the year.
How did you appear — we’ve alone got a quick bulk of time here, Marty? How did you appear to address this?
MARTY ROE, DIAMOND RIO: To do the song? We recorded the song basically aback we aboriginal heard of it. It’s true. The lyric is about — I anticipate we all get affectionate of bent up in the hustle and bustle of day- to-day life, and this is affectionate of about stripping abroad all of that and accepting aback to what absolutely matters.
KING: It’s a abundant number.
ROE: Acknowledge you.
KING: Let’s apprehend it. From Nashville, actuality they are to aing it out, Diamond Rio and “One Added Day.”
(MUSIC, DIAMOND RIO PLAYING “ONE MORE DAY”)
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